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Steve Lacy’s Modern Love Songs

史蒂夫·莱西的现代情歌
His new album, “Oh Yeah?,” marries the offline charms of nineties R. & B. with the disaffection of a life lived through a screen.
他的新专辑《Oh Yeah?》将九十年代节奏布鲁斯的线下魅力,与屏幕生活的疏离感融为一体。
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In the summer of 2022, Steve Lacy’s “Bad Habit,” a buoyant but doleful song about a missed shot—“I bite my tongue, it’s a bad habit,” he sings ruefully—started going crazy on TikTok. Lacy, who was twenty-four at the time, was previously best known as a guitarist in the Internet, a psych-R. & B. band that emerged out of the sprawling Los Angeles hip-hop group Odd Future. “Bad Habit” was an unexpected but delightful hit. That fall, the track was nominated for three Grammys, including Song of the Year, and spent thirty-five weeks on the Hot 100, including three at No. 1. Interestingly, “Bad Habit” was also the first single ever to top five of Billboard’s genre charts (including R. & B. / Hip-Hop and Rock & Alternative), which speaks to the odd elasticity of Lacy’s sound. A song such as “Bad Habit” can perhaps exist only now, in an era in which every piece of music is available on an endless lateral plane—a time in which genre, as an organizing principle, has largely fossilized.

2022年夏天,史蒂夫·莱西(Steve Lacy)的《Bad Habit》在TikTok上爆红。这首歌轻快而忧伤,唱的是一次错失良机——“我欲言又止,这是个坏习惯”,他懊悔地唱道。时年二十四岁的莱西,此前最为人知的身份是迷幻节奏布鲁斯乐队互联网(the Internet)的吉他手,这支乐队脱胎于洛杉矶庞大的嘻哈团体Odd Future。《Bad Habit》是一首出人意料又令人愉悦的热门金曲。那年秋天,这首歌获得三项格莱美提名,包括年度歌曲,并在公告牌百强单曲榜上停留了三十五周,其中三周位列榜首。有趣的是,《Bad Habit》还是第一首同时登顶公告牌五个类型榜单(包括节奏布鲁斯/嘻哈和摇滚/另类)的单曲,这恰恰说明了莱西音乐奇特的弹性。像《Bad Habit》这样的歌,或许只能存在于当下这个时代——所有音乐都在一个无边的水平面上触手可及,类型作为一种组织原则,已基本僵化。

Earlier this month, Lacy released his third LP, “Oh Yeah?,” a gorgeous, deeply humane record. Lacy has matured as a songwriter: “Oh Yeah?” is rhythmically expansive, and its lyrics are feverish, incriminating. His style, though, is still idiosyncratic—a particular mix of bedroom melancholy and broadband corruption. The new songs effectively marry the immediacy and offline charm of early-nineties R. & B. (Babyface, TLC) with the disaffection of life lived through a screen.

本月早些时候,莱西发行了他的第三张全长专辑《Oh Yeah?》,一张华丽而极具人情味的唱片。莱西作为词曲作者更成熟了:《Oh Yeah?》节奏开阔,歌词狂热,充满自曝其短的坦诚。不过,他的风格依然独树一帜——一种卧室忧郁与宽带网络腐化感的独特混合。这些新歌将九十年代初期节奏布鲁斯(娃娃脸、TLC)的即时感与线下魅力,同屏幕生活的疏离感有效地结合在了一起。

I recently met Lacy in the lobby of a hotel on the edge of New York’s Chinatown. It was a steamy, fluorescent afternoon; we carried our iced coffees to Seward Park, finding an empty bench in the shade. Lacy’s best songs combine elements of psychedelia, hip-hop, and alternative R. & B. (a genre developed and perfected, in the early twenty-tens, by artists such as Frank Ocean, SZA, and the Weeknd). Some parts of “Oh Yeah?” seem to take inspiration from indie rock (Weezer, Dirty Projectors, occasionally Beck), whereas others skew more experimental (Sun Ra, Parliament-Funkadelic). Substantive verses are new terrain for Lacy, who, as a younger writer, worried more about hooks and beats. “ ‘Verses? Who cares!’ That was my vibe when I first started,” Lacy said. But, on this record, “I was kind of mopey until I got a good verse. And then I was FaceTime-ing everyone: ‘Look at this! I said this!’ ”

我最近在纽约唐人街边缘的一家酒店大堂见到了莱西。那是一个闷热、日光灯照明的午后;我们端着冰咖啡走到苏厄德公园,在树荫下找了张空长椅坐下。莱西最好的歌曲融合了迷幻、嘻哈和另类节奏布鲁斯(一种在2010年代初期由弗兰克·奥申、SZA和威肯等艺人发展并臻于完美的类型)的元素。《Oh Yeah?》的某些部分似乎从独立摇滚(威瑟乐队、Dirty Projectors,偶尔还有贝克)中汲取灵感,而另一些部分则更偏向实验(桑·拉、Parliament-Funkadelic)。扎实的主歌段落对莱西来说是片新领域,他年轻时写歌更关心副歌和节奏。“‘主歌?谁在乎!’我刚起步时就是这种调调,”莱西说。但在这张专辑里,“我要是写不出好主歌,就会有点闷闷不乐。然后我就会跟所有人打FaceTime:‘看看这个!这是我写的!’”

Lately, Lacy has been listening to a lot of Moondog, the avant-garde composer known to mid-century New Yorkers as the Viking of Sixth Avenue. (Beginning in the nineteen-forties, Moondog, who was born Louis Hardin, could be found on the streets of Manhattan sporting a horned helmet and a voluminous gray beard, playing an array of bespoke instruments.) “Moondog is not playing chords,” Lacy said. “Where I come from, it’s super chords—the flat-9, the flat-5.” Before “Bad Habit” took off—and before Lacy turned twenty-one—he was already finding considerable success as a producer, having worked with Kendrick Lamar, Solange, Mac Miller, and Vampire Weekend. Lacy made the beat for “PRIDE.,” a dreamy, spectral cut from “DAMN.”—Lamar’s Pulitzer Prize-winning, triple-platinum album from 2017—using his cracked iPhone 6, an iRig adapter, and the GarageBand app. “I’m, like, ‘Am I gonna be the artist, or am I gonna be the artist that inspires other artists?’ Everybody took it,” he said of his style. “I gave it away, actually. Chorus, guitar, R. & B. drums.” Now he’s been trying to “flip my process on its head.” Lacy pointed to “The Feeling,” a soulful, wavy new song about submitting to passion. “Chords don’t happen until the acoustic guitar on the chorus. Then it fades in, and you’re, like, Whoa, where’d the fuck that come from? Those little nerdy things excite me.”

最近,莱西听了不少Moondog的作品,这位先锋作曲家被二十世纪中叶的纽约人称为“第六大道的维京人”。(从1940年代起,本名路易斯·哈丁的Moondog,就戴着角盔、留着浓密的灰色胡须,在曼哈顿街头演奏一系列定制乐器。)“Moondog不玩和弦,”莱西说。“在我来的那个地方,全是超级和弦——降九音、降五音。”在《Bad Habit》走红之前——在莱西满二十一岁之前——他作为制作人已经相当成功,曾与肯德里克·拉马尔、索兰芝、麦克·米勒和吸血鬼周末乐队合作。拉马尔2017年获得普利策奖的三白金专辑《DAMN.》中,那首梦幻、空灵的《PRIDE.》的伴奏,就是莱西用他屏幕碎裂的iPhone 6、一个iRig转接器和GarageBand应用做出来的。“我当时想,‘我是要当艺人,还是要当那种启发其他艺人的艺人?’结果大家都把我的风格拿走了,”他谈到自己的风格时说。“其实是我拱手送出的。副歌、吉他、节奏布鲁斯的鼓点。”现在他一直在尝试“彻底颠覆我的创作流程”。莱西提到了《The Feeling》,一首关于臣服于激情的、充满灵魂乐风味的起伏新歌。“和弦直到副歌部分的原声吉他出现时才进来。然后它渐渐淡入,你会觉得,哇,这他妈从哪儿冒出来的?就是这些书呆子气的小细节让我兴奋。”

In conversation, Lacy is charismatic, funny, and frank. He has 3.6 million followers on Instagram, where he posts often, and in a manner that calls back to an earlier, less mercenary version of the app: selfies, memes, pictures of his feet in socks and slides. Lyrically, “Oh Yeah?” is surprisingly raw and openhearted. It’s especially vulnerable when it comes to depictions of sex and yearning. After a brief moment of consideration—“I don’t want to cook myself,” he said, laughing—Lacy described himself as “single-ish.” He sings frequently about the utter impossibility of modern romance. “I think I’m in love with you / I think you should be in love with me / Bad boy, what you gonna do? / ’Cause everybody got someone but me,” Lacy pines on the chorus of “Show You Me,” a new song built around a folky guitar riff and a bleating synthesizer. Lacy is queer, and he dates people of various gender identities. During a verse on “Show You Me,” he admits, “Been a while since I had some coochie stuck in my teeth.”

交谈中,莱西魅力十足、风趣又坦率。他在Instagram上有三百六十万粉丝,经常发帖,风格让人想起那个更早期、不那么功利化的应用版本:自拍、表情包、自己穿袜子和拖鞋的脚的照片。在歌词上,《Oh Yeah?》出奇地直白和敞开心扉,在描写性与渴望时尤其脆弱。短暂思索后——“我可不想把自己给卖了,”他笑着说——莱西形容自己的感情状态是“半单身”。他经常歌唱现代恋爱的彻底无望。“我想我爱上你了/我想你也应该爱上我/坏男孩,你打算怎么办?/因为好像每个人都有伴,除了我,”莱西在新歌《Show You Me》的副歌中哀叹,这首歌围绕一段民谣风的吉他连复段和呜咽的合成器音色展开。莱西是酷儿,约会对象涵盖不同性别认同。在《Show You Me》的一段主歌中,他坦白道:“有阵子没尝过女人味了。”

Lacy described “Oh Yeah?” as an exploration of the various ways in which he might be “underdeveloped as a human,” mostly because he has been so focussed on becoming a musician. (In 2016, when the Internet’s third record, “Ego Death,” was nominated for a Grammy, Lacy had to get up the morning after the ceremony and go to high school.) Much like “Gemini Rights,” Lacy’s previous album, “Oh Yeah?” is tangentially concerned with the fallout of one specific romantic relationship—“a heartbreak that happened to me six years ago,” Lacy said—and the grab bag of obsessive things that we do in the aftermath of loss. Lacy pointed to “Nice Shoes / In Your World,” a pounding, frenetic song about trying to outrun your own desire. “My dick is getting hard again / At the thought of you and me holding hands,” he sings. Lacy’s voice is nasal and occasionally a little wonky, which gives it unusual warmth. He wants his work to feel like a benevolent companion. “I look for this underlying feeling of a hand on my thigh, like—isn’t being human fucking weird for all of us?” Lacy said.

莱西将《Oh Yeah?》描述为一次探索,探索他可能“作为一个人发育不良”的种种方面,主要是因为他一直太专注于成为一名音乐人。(2016年,互联网乐队的第三张专辑《Ego Death》获得格莱美提名时,莱西不得不在颁奖典礼后的第二天早上起床上高中。)和莱西的上一张专辑《Gemini Rights》很像,《Oh Yeah?》也间接涉及一段特定恋爱关系的余波——“六年前发生在我身上的一次心碎,”莱西说——以及我们在失去之后所做的种种痴迷之事。莱西提到了《Nice Shoes / In Your World》,一首关于试图摆脱自身欲望的、重击般狂乱的歌。“想到你我手牵手/我又硬了,”他唱道。莱西的嗓音带点鼻音,偶尔有些跑调,这反而赋予了它不寻常的温暖。他希望自己的作品感觉像一个善意的伙伴。“我寻找的是那种一只手放在我大腿上的潜在感觉,就像——做人这件事,对我们所有人来说不都他妈的很奇怪吗?”莱西说。

Mostly “Oh Yeah?” is about the sensation of coming to—of having weathered the tumult of love and maybe learned a couple of things. “This album sounds like post-nut clarity,” Lacy joked. Sometimes, in those tender, postcoital minutes, we are exceptionally awake to our shortcomings and fears. “You know when you’ve been on a wild bender or whatever? You’ve had the moment, everyone is gone, and then . . . those thoughts,” he said. “That’s what my album is like.”

《Oh Yeah?》主要讲的是那种清醒过来的感觉——熬过了爱的喧嚣,也许还学到了一些东西。“这张专辑听起来就像贤者时间,”莱西开玩笑说。有时候,在那些温柔的事后几分钟里,我们对自己的缺点和恐惧异常清醒。“你知道那种刚经历了一场疯狂放纵之类的感觉吗?高潮时刻过去了,所有人都走了,然后……那些念头就来了,”他说。“我的专辑就是那样的。”

Lacy grew up in Compton—he has the city’s name tattooed on the right side of his chest—with his mother and three sisters. He described his childhood as happy, although, he said, “I didn’t know what rich was. I thought rich was anyone who had two bathrooms in their house, and stairs.” He continued, “We had fun. I guess there was gang stuff. But you know what? There’s gangs that be happenin’ in all neighborhoods.” On the first verse of “Is It Cool?,” which features a velvety, searching outro from SZA, he sings about the early death of his father:

莱西在康普顿长大——他把这个城市的名字纹在了右胸——与母亲和三个姐妹一起。他形容自己的童年很快乐,不过他说:“我不知道什么叫富有。我以为只要家里有两个卫生间,还有楼梯,就是富人了。”他接着说:“我们过得挺开心。我猜也有帮派那些事。但你知道吗?哪个街区都有帮派在活动。”在《Is It Cool?》的第一段主歌中,SZA贡献了一段天鹅绒般柔滑、探寻式的尾声,莱西唱到了他父亲的早逝:

Never needed a man
Tatay died when I was like ten
I turned out to be just fine
I just cheat every now and again

从不需要男人 塔泰死时我才十岁 我后来长得也挺好 只是偶尔会出轨

“There’s this whole thing of cheaters being fuckboys, but that’s actually a deep, deep, deep insecurity of the soul,” he said. I wondered if that verse was somehow in conversation with a line from “Nice Shoes”—“Crazy how you can be sad and not notice”—though I told Lacy I understood if he didn’t want to talk about his father’s death, or how grief has shaped him. “It’s a beautiful thing to talk about, actually,” he said. “It’s also a weird thing, because there is no sadness to be felt. My father was pretty occasional. I’d see him on holidays and stuff. But I never saw my parents be romantic or anything.” Lacy’s father was an immigrant from the Philippines who worked as a carpenter. “He wanted his green card, so they made it happen. My big sister remembers coming home, and they were just married. You don’t really expect two people like that to be together. I can show you.” Lacy pulled up an old photograph of his parents standing together. His mother is young and beaming. His father looks significantly older, his expression staid. “Isn’t that insane? They are a pairing, but I’m, like—this is so funny, that this made me,” Lacy said. “I grew up a Black American. Filipino? Forget about it. But it’s in me.”

“人们总说出轨的人是渣男,但这其实是灵魂深处一种非常、非常、非常深的不安全感,”他说。我不知道这段歌词是否在某种程度上与《Nice Shoes》里的一句词——“疯狂的是你可以很悲伤却没察觉”——在对话,不过我告诉莱西,如果他不想谈论父亲的去世,或者悲伤如何塑造了他,我能理解。“其实,谈论这个挺美好的,”他说。“这也挺奇怪的,因为并没有什么悲伤可感。我父亲只是偶尔出现。我一般在节假日之类的时候能见到他。但我从没见过我父母之间有什么浪漫可言。”莱西的父亲是来自菲律宾的移民,做木匠。“他想要绿卡,所以他们就把事办了。我大姐记得回到家,他们就已经结婚了。你不太会指望那样的两个人在一起。我可以给你看。”莱西翻出一张他父母的旧合影。他的母亲年轻,笑容灿烂。他的父亲看起来年长许多,表情严肃。“是不是很不可思议?他们是一对,但我就觉得——这太逗了,就是这么一对儿,创造了我,”莱西说。“我是作为美国黑人长大的。菲律宾人?别提了。但它就在我身体里。”

He’s planning to play a show in the Philippines on his next tour, and he’s been attempting to gather more information about his paternal lineage. “When you’re that young, you don’t know what death means,” he said. “I’m learning that there is a hole. It does go back to that line—it’s crazy that you can be sad and not notice! There’s a lot that I just kind of bypass, because I didn’t know how to process those emotions as a kid.”

他计划在下一轮巡演中去菲律宾演一场,也一直在尝试收集更多关于他父系血统的信息。“那么小的时候,你不懂死亡意味着什么,”他说。“我现在才明白,那里有一个空洞。这确实又回到了那句歌词——疯狂的是你可以很悲伤却没察觉!有很多事我就这么绕过去了,因为我小时候不知道如何处理那些情绪。”

Later that day, over dinner—“I’m on my Lenny Kravitz shit,” Lacy said, forgoing pasta for salad—I asked how he was managing the vagaries of fame. “I want to give it a fair shot,” he said of his career. “But I’m not necessarily trying to do anything that will damage my humanity.” I told him that I admired how unmediated “Oh Yeah?” feels—in a cultural moment defined by curation, filters, artificial intelligence, optimization, and perpetual performance, his songs are goofy, profound, and unguarded. “It’s actually very scary,” he said. “I was building this relationship with the work, and I thought, It’s just us, our intimate thing. Now it’s, like, Oh, shit, right—I have to share this.” He’d spent the previous few days attempting to sort out elements of the album’s visual presentation. “Beats me, you know?” he said. “I’m such a musician. I make these things to play them.”

那天晚些时候,吃晚饭时——“我要学莱尼·克拉维茨那套,”莱西说,不吃意面,改吃沙拉——我问他是如何应对名声带来的变幻无常的。“我想给它一个公平的机会,”他谈到自己的事业时说。“但我并不一定要做任何会损害我人性的事。”我告诉他,我很欣赏《Oh Yeah?》给人的那种毫无修饰的感觉——在这个由策展、滤镜、人工智能、优化和永不停歇的表演所定义的文化时刻,他的歌曲显得傻气、深刻而又不设防。“这其实非常可怕,”他说。“我一直在和这些作品建立关系,我想,只有我们俩,这是我们私密的事。现在却成了,哦,该死,对了——我得分享这个。”前几天他一直在试图理清专辑视觉呈现的各种元素。“我也搞不懂,你知道吗?”他说。“我太是个音乐人了。我做这些东西是为了演奏它们。”

Still, Lacy, who is prone to philosophizing (at one point, he jokingly wondered if he might be a wizard), was clinging to some sense that the universe will do right by him—that, ultimately, it does right by all of us. “I do believe in that higher power—that everything is already written, and these are lessons for me, even if they kind of suck right now.” He laughed. “I hate a bright-side motherfucker, too. But I do believe in that.” ♦

尽管如此,莱西——他喜欢哲思(有一刻,他开玩笑地怀疑自己会不会是个巫师)——仍然抱着某种信念,相信宇宙会善待他,相信归根结底,它善待我们所有人。“我确实相信那种更高的力量——相信一切早已注定,这些都是给我的功课,即使它们眼下有点糟糕。”他笑了。“我也讨厌那种凡事往好处想的混蛋。但我确实相信那个。” ♦

An earlier version of this article misstated Lacy’s status in the Internet.

本文早期版本误述了莱西在互联网乐队中的身份。

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