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Daniyal Mueenuddin on the Uses, and Abuses, of Real Life

达尼亚尔·穆伊努丁谈现实生活的用途与滥用
The novelist discusses works of fiction that draw from the people one knows—often, to controversial effect.
这位小说家探讨了那些从熟人身上汲取灵感的虚构作品——其效果往往颇具争议。
这位小说家讨论了那些取材于熟人的虚构作品——其效果往往颇具争议。
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As the well-known expression goes, “Good artists copy; great artists steal.” But where is the line between inspiration and appropriation? When do we have a right to borrow someone’s story, and when should we stay our hand? Daniyal Mueenuddin’s newest novel, “This Is Where the Serpent Lives,” draws in part on the lives of people he knows; as Mueenuddin recently reported, his use of reality has sometimes put him in “hot water.” Not long ago, Mueenuddin sat down with us to talk about a few fictional works that draw directly from truth—sometimes honorably, and sometimes, he thinks, not. “In some way, description is violation,” Mueenuddin said. “Does beauty forgive everything? If we make something beautiful enough, does that mean you get a free pass? I don’t know. I hope so.” His remarks have been edited and condensed.

俗话说:"拙匠摹形,巧匠窃意。"但灵感与挪用之间的界限究竟何在?我们何时有权借用他人的故事,又何时应当收手?达尼亚尔·穆伊努丁的最新小说《毒蛇栖居之地》部分取材于他熟识之人的生活;正如穆伊努丁近期所言,他对现实的运用有时会让自己陷入"沸水般的困境"。不久前,穆伊努丁与我们座谈,探讨了几部直接取材于真实事件的小说作品——有些是体面的借用,有些在他看来则不然。"在某种意义上,描述即是一种侵犯,"穆伊努丁说,"美能赦免一切吗?如果我们把作品塑造得足够美,是否就意味着获得了通行证?我不知道。但愿如此。"以下是他经过编辑整理的谈话要点。

Dubliners

by James Joyce

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There’s a reason why Mr. Joyce spent much of his adult life in Trieste, and that’s because he couldn’t run into people there—especially people from Dublin, whose lives he used in his work, most notably in “Dubliners.” I think we have to agree, though, that, of Joyce’s appropriations, particularly shocking is the way he uses Molly Bloom as, to an extent, a stand-in for his wife, in “Ulysses.” Joyce wrote about sex, disclosing things that his contemporaries didn’t—and certainly breaking from the mores of his predecessors. That was part of why his work was so shocking. But, as I say, he could afford to do it, because he could just go off and live in Trieste.

乔伊斯成年后大部分时间都在的里雅斯特度过,原因很简单:在那里不会撞见熟人——尤其是都柏林人,他们的生活被他写进作品,最著名的就是《都柏林人》。不过我们必须承认,在乔伊斯所有"挪用"中,最令人震惊的莫过于《尤利西斯》里莫莉·布卢姆在某种程度上成为他妻子的替身。乔伊斯书写性事,揭露同时代作家讳莫如深的隐秘,无疑也打破了前辈的伦理禁忌——这正是其作品惊世骇俗的部分原因。但正如我所说,他之所以能这样做,是因为可以远走的里雅斯特生活。

In Search of Lost Time

追忆似水年华

by Marcel Proust

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I’ve been engaging with Proust all my life. He’s a profound thinker and an amazing writer. One thing I don’t think we should forget about him is that when he wrote this book, he went into a version of what we in Pakistan call pardah—he stopped going out. Here’s a guy who used to dine out seven nights a week. Suddenly, he goes into seclusion and produces this book. I’ve thought a lot about why he did this. I don’t know how much of his motivation was shaped by the fact that he was a dandy, and that aging was therefore, I think, problematic for him. He had been a very handsome young man, and as he got older he got less beautiful. But I also think a big part of it was that, in a way, he used people he knew, and he spilled the beans. He might have found that he wasn’t actually being invited to so many dinners anymore.

我一生都在与普鲁斯特对话。他是一位深邃的思想家,也是一位了不起的作家。关于他,有一点我们不该忘记:当他创作这部作品时,他进入了某种类似我们巴基斯坦人所说的"深闺"状态——他不再出门社交。要知道,这个人曾经每周七个晚上都在外用餐。突然间,他闭门不出,写出了这部巨著。我常思索他为何如此。我不确定他的动机有多少是源于他曾经是个纨绔子弟,而衰老对他而言想必是件难堪的事。他曾是个非常俊美的青年,随着年岁增长,容颜渐衰。但我认为更重要的原因是,在某种意义上,他利用了相识之人,泄露了太多秘密。或许他发现,自己其实不再收到那么多晚宴邀请了。

My Struggle

by Karl Ove Knausgaard

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For me, a person who can really speak to these issues I’ve been circling is Mr. Knausgaard. He really did spill the beans—and he got a divorce out of it. I don’t know all the details about what happened to his marriage, but I do remember reading that his wife felt very violated by what he wrote, and also that some relatives of his father—on whom he focusses in the first volume of this series—were very upset. And rightly, too. I mean, I wouldn’t have wanted to ride into history with the characterization that Knausgaard gives his father in that book. He comes off as a horrible, stupid drunk of the most unattractive kind. And I guess Knausgaard just said, That’s O.K. He was willing to let people be really upset.

对我来说,能真正回应我一直在绕圈子的这些问题的人,是克瑙斯高先生。他确实把秘密和盘托出——为此还离了婚。我不清楚他婚姻破裂的所有细节,但我记得读到过,他的妻子觉得他写的东西严重侵犯了她的隐私,还有他父亲的一些亲戚——他在这个系列的第一卷中重点描写了父亲——也非常生气。这完全可以理解。我是说,我可不想以克瑙斯高在书中描绘他父亲的那种形象载入史册。他笔下的父亲是个可怕、愚蠢、酗酒成性、毫无魅力的人。我猜克瑙斯高只是说,没关系。他愿意让人们真的生气。

For Lizzie and Harriet

献给莉齐与哈丽特

by Robert Lowell

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When we talk about the questions I’m talking about here, we really have to look at the relationship between Robert Lowell and Elizabeth Hardwick. Both of them were writers—Lowell a poet, Hardwick an essayist and novelist. She also co-founded The New York Review of Books. Lowell, famously, was a difficult man and a difficult husband. And he wrote about Hardwick extensively, including by appropriating portions of letters that she sent to him in a collection called “The Dolphin.”

谈到此处所提及的问题,我们确实需要审视罗伯特·洛威尔与伊丽莎白·哈德威克之间的关系。两人皆是作家——洛威尔是诗人,哈德威克是散文家兼小说家。她还参与创办了《纽约书评》。众所周知,洛威尔是个难相处的人,也是个难相处的丈夫。他大量书写哈德威克,甚至在诗集《海豚》中直接挪用了她寄给自己的信件片段。

The poet Elizabeth Bishop, with whom Lowell was close friends, famously told him, when asked to read the collection before it came out, “art just isn’t worth that much.” I’ve thought about that a lot, because I care about these two writers—Lowell and Bishop—more than I care about any others, probably. But I disagree with Bishop—I hope that art is worth that much, or can be. “The Dolphin” is a brilliant book. But “For Lizzie and Harriet”—which was named for Hardwick and the daughter Lowell had with her—is not very good. It didn’t have to be published, it doesn’t add to his stature. It was a misfire. And, ultimately, being a writer who borrows from life is something that should be gone about in a considered way, because life matters. People matter.

诗人伊丽莎白·毕肖普(Elizabeth Bishop)——洛威尔(Lowell)的挚友——在诗集出版前应邀审阅时,那句"艺术根本不值得付出如此代价"已成传世名言。我时常思索这句话,因为我对这两位作家——洛威尔与毕肖普——的珍视,或许超过其他任何作家。但我并不同意毕肖普的观点——我始终希望艺术值得这样的代价,或至少可能值得。《海豚》无疑是部杰作。然而《致莉齐与哈丽特》——这部以哈德威克(Hardwick)及其与洛威尔所生女儿命名的诗集——却乏善可陈。它本不必出版,也无助于提升他的文学地位。这是次失手。归根结底,从生活中汲取素材的创作方式需要审慎对待,因为生活至关重要。人,至关重要。

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