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An Israeli Satirist’s Bid to Save His Country’s Democracy

一位以色列讽刺作家拯救本国民主的努力
Lior Schleien used to host hit TV shows. Now he posts videos of discussions with young people, the majority of whom currently tend right, which garner millions of views.
利奥尔·施莱恩曾主持过多档热门电视节目。如今,他发布与年轻人讨论的视频,这些年轻人目前大多倾向右翼,视频获得了数百万次观看。
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Lior Schleien is often referred to as Israel’s Jon Stewart, a comparison that amuses him, since it exaggerates his small country’s standing even more than his own, but he’ll take it. Schleien, who is forty-eight, was born and grew up in Tel Aviv; he earned a master’s degree in law, but in the early two-thousands he turned his focus to comedy, writing a satirical column for the newspaper Maariv and appearing on a prime-time TV show. Soon, he was hosting a late-night talk show, “Halayla” (“Tonight”), for which he won the Israeli equivalent of an Emmy, in 2008. He then created and hosted two hit programs: “Matzav Ha’Uma” (“The State of the Nation”), which began in 2010, the year after Benjamin Netanyahu returned to the premiership, following a decade out of the office; and a successor show, “Gav Ha’Uma” (“The Nation’s Backbone”), which he also produced and ran from 2015 to 2020. His programs featured elements similar to those of Stewart’s “Daily Show”: a monologue, riffs on the news, a supporting panel of “pundits,” and a not quite playful interview segment with leading politicians and officials—including, in 2014, with Netanyahu himself, who then sought exposure among hipper voters.

利奥尔·施莱恩常被称为以色列的乔恩·斯图尔特,这个比较让他觉得好笑,因为它夸大了他这个小国的地位,甚至超过了对他人地位的夸大,但他也乐于接受。施莱恩现年四十八岁,在特拉维夫出生长大;他获得了法学硕士学位,但在本世纪初,他将重心转向喜剧,为《 Maariv 》报撰写讽刺专栏,并在一档黄金时段电视节目中露面。很快,他开始主持深夜脱口秀《 Halayla 》,并因此在2008年获得了以色列的艾美奖。之后,他创作并主持了两档热门节目:2010年开播的《 Matzav Ha’Uma 》,那一年是本雅明·内塔尼亚胡在离开总理职位十年后重返政坛的第二年;以及后续节目《 Gav Ha’Uma 》,他同时担任制片人,从2015年主持到2020年。他的节目包含与斯图尔特《每日秀》相似的元素:一段独白、对新闻的即兴发挥、一个由“专家”组成的辅助小组,以及一个与主要政治人物和官员进行的、并非全然玩笑的访谈环节——包括2014年内塔尼亚胡本人也来过,他当时希望在更时髦的选民中寻求曝光。

Actually, Schleien had voted for Netanyahu more than once, when he was younger. (As a teen-ager, in 1994, he had been in central Tel Aviv when a Hamas suicide bombing on a nearby bus killed twenty-two people. “I belonged to the strong right, not to the weak left,” he said.) By 2014, however, he had “grown up” and was ensconced in Tel Aviv’s live-and-let-live culture with his partner, Merav Michaeli, a feminist activist and a Labor Party member in the Knesset. (She served as the Party leader from 2021 to 2024; the couple now have three young children.) And as Netanyahu’s coalitions hardened Schleien’s programs became edgier, skewering Netanyahu sycophants in the Likud Party, anti-élitist demagogues, cultic settlers, and rabbinic mandarins. Schleien, like Stewart, had become a sapper in a culture war he did not seek. “I saw myself doing satire—television, standup, books, films—until I died, not a player on the court but a referee,” he told me. For years, as a showrunner, he was the one in the writers’ room who “argued for playing it cool”: “Let’s make fun of them, get paid, take the applause, and come back tomorrow for another day’s work.” But, he added, “With this government, that ain’t the case anymore: we are being led to a hellhole.”

实际上,施莱恩年轻时不止一次投票给内塔尼亚胡。(1994年,他十几岁时,曾在特拉维夫市中心亲历哈马斯在附近一辆公共汽车上发动的自杀式爆炸,造成22人死亡。“我属于强硬的右翼,不属于软弱的左翼,”他说。)然而,到了2014年,他已经“成熟了”,并与伴侣梅拉芙·米凯莉一起,安于特拉维夫那种自己活也让别人活的文化中。米凯莉是一位女权活动家,也是以色列议会中的工党成员。(她曾在2021年至2024年担任工党领袖;这对伴侣现在有三个年幼的孩子。)随着内塔尼亚胡的执政联盟日趋强硬,施莱恩的节目也变得更加尖锐,讽刺内塔尼亚胡在利库德党内的谄媚者、反精英的煽动家、狂热的定居者以及拉比权贵。施莱恩和斯图尔特一样,成了一场他本无意寻求的文化战争中的工兵。“我原本设想自己会一直做讽刺——电视、单口喜剧、写书、拍电影——直到死去,我不是场上的球员,而是裁判,”他告诉我。多年来,作为节目运作人,他是编剧室里那个“主张保持冷静”的人:“我们取笑他们,拿钱,接受掌声,明天回来继续工作。”但他补充说,“面对这届政府,情况不再是这样了:我们正被引向一个地狱。”

Schleien isn’t on broadcast television anymore, either. His shows were cancelled for what writers for Ynet and Haaretz considered questionable reasons, among them alleged pressure from Netanyahu’s allies, although the networks involved named other justifications, including financial ones. But Schleien has responded with a coruscating online presence, emerging as less of a jester and more of a conscience for Israeli liberals. In this crucial election year, he is arguably the most effective, and certainly the most daring, opposition voice in the country.

施莱恩也不再出现在广播电视上了。他的节目被取消,原因被 Ynet 和《国土报》的撰稿人认为是可疑的,其中包括来自内塔尼亚胡盟友的所谓压力,尽管相关电视网给出了其他理由,包括财务方面的。但施莱恩以犀利的网络形象做出了回应,他不再像个小丑,而更像是以色列自由派的良知。在这个关键的选举年,他可以说是国内最有效,当然也是最勇敢的反对声音。

Schleien’s shows landed because, like all great satire, they presupposed a commonwealth of decency and reasonableness—and the liberty to mock violations of it. But, outside of cosmopolitan sections of Tel Aviv, Herzliya, and Haifa, the liberalism that fuelled his humor couldn’t be taken for granted. Politicized Judaism has enabled the most egregious violations of that freedom—in the form of the militant Religious Zionist Party and ultra-Orthodox parties, which are part of Netanyahu’s coalition, and their educational institutions, which are based in Jerusalem and increasingly provide ideological grounding to the Israeli right. (On a Times of Israel podcast, the Tel Aviv University economist Dan Ben-David recently cited a study that found that the state provides a roughly thirty-eight-billion-shekel subsidy for ultra-Orthodox communities, which, he said, is a third more than it spends on hospitals and public research universities combined.) For Schleien, these have been major foils.

施莱恩的节目之所以成功,是因为像所有伟大的讽刺作品一样,它们预设了一个体面和理性的共同体——以及嘲弄违反这一共同体行为的自由。但是,在特拉维夫、赫兹利亚和海法等都市区域之外,激发他幽默的自由主义并非理所当然。政治化的犹太教使得对这种自由最恶劣的侵犯成为可能——其形式是好战的宗教犹太复国主义政党和极端正统派政党,它们是内塔尼亚胡执政联盟的一部分,还有它们设在耶路撒冷的教育机构,这些机构日益为以色列右翼提供意识形态基础。(在《以色列时报》的一次播客中,特拉维夫大学经济学家丹·本-戴维最近引用了一项研究,该研究发现国家为极端正统派社区提供了约380亿谢克尔的补贴,他说,这比国家在医院和公立研究型大学上的总支出还要多三分之一。)对施莱恩而言,这些一直是主要的讽刺对象。

In Jerusalem’s Old City, for example, the Western Wall, which abuts the site of the destroyed Judean temple, is still frequented by pilgrims, tourists, and visiting dignitaries, including American politicians, who typically slip handwritten messages in between its stones. But in recent years it’s become a shrine for religious zealots, who march there in the thousands on Jerusalem Day, often menacing Arab shopkeepers along the way. So, one year, to counter that politicized piety, Schleien had the cast of “Gav Ha’Uma” dress up as “Wizard of Oz” characters and dance to the Wall while singing a made-up Hebrew version of “We’re Off to See the Wizard.” Schleien was equally impatient with the paid official state rabbinate, which oversees rabbinic courts and has guarded its right—first established under the British Mandate—to certify marriages, divorces, burials, and dietary laws. This entails handing out thousands of patronage jobs to rabbis, bureaucrats, undertakers, and inspectors. In a 2019 monologue, Schleien featured clips of a sermon by a retired chief rabbi, Yisrael Meir Lau, in which he extolled the ingenuity of medieval Talmudic sages for their method of determining a woman’s virginity, which involved, grotesquely, having her sit on a barrel of wine.

例如,在耶路撒冷老城,毗邻被毁犹太圣殿遗址的西墙,仍然有朝圣者、游客和来访政要频繁光顾,包括美国政客,他们通常会把手写的纸条塞进石缝里。但近年来,它已成为宗教狂热分子的圣地,成千上万的人在耶路撒冷日游行至此,沿途常常威胁阿拉伯店主。因此,有一年,为了对抗那种政治化的虔诚,施莱恩让《 Gav Ha’Uma 》的演员们打扮成《绿野仙踪》里的角色,一边唱着自编的希伯来语版《我们要去看巫师》,一边跳着舞走向西墙。施莱恩对由国家支付薪水的官方拉比院同样不耐烦,该机构监管拉比法庭,并捍卫其最早在英国托管时期确立的权利——认证婚姻、离婚、丧葬和饮食律法。这需要向拉比、官僚、殡葬人员和检查员分发数千个庇护性职位。在2019年的一段独白中,施莱恩播放了退休首席拉比伊斯雷尔·梅厄·劳的一次布道片段,劳在布道中颂扬了中世纪塔木德贤哲的独创性,因为他们确定女性童贞的方法,该方法怪诞地涉及让女性坐在一桶酒上。

Mocking the Wall and a former chief rabbi took some cheek, especially because Lau is a Holocaust survivor, and because religious devotion may have seemed a secondary target at the time, given the security threats that Israel was facing: Iranian hostility, rockets from Gaza and Lebanon. But Schleien considers official pietism—the theocratic strictures, the holy geographies, and Iron Age notions of vengeance—a threat in its own right, and one that exacerbates various security crises. In 2016, on “Gav Ha’Uma,” he grilled the settler leader Bezalel Smotrich, now Netanyahu’s finance minister, who had argued for building a new Jewish temple on the Mount adjacent to Al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock, and who has said that Jerusalem will reach Damascus. “You realize,” Schleien told him, referring to the boycott movement against Israel, “how you are prompting more antisemitism, and more B.D.S.?”

嘲弄西墙和一位前首席拉比需要些胆量,尤其是因为劳是大屠杀幸存者,而且考虑到以色列当时面临的安全威胁——伊朗的敌意、来自加沙和黎巴嫩的火箭弹——宗教虔诚似乎是个次要目标。但施莱恩认为,官方的虔敬主义——神权政治的束缚、神圣的地理和铁器时代的复仇观念——本身就是一种威胁,并且加剧了各种安全危机。2016年,在《 Gav Ha’Uma 》节目中,他盘问了定居者领袖贝扎莱尔·斯莫特里赫,后者现在是内塔尼亚胡的财政部长,曾主张在毗邻阿克萨清真寺和圆顶清真寺的圣殿山上建造一座新的犹太圣殿,还说过耶路撒冷将延伸至大马士革。“你意识到没有,”施莱恩对他说,指的是针对以色列的抵制运动,“你正在如何挑起更多的反犹主义,以及更多的抵制、撤资和制裁运动?”

But Schleien has been correspondingly irritated by self-styled “centrist” politicians, such as Yair Lapid and Benny Gantz, who, though secularists themselves, coddled the religious establishment purportedly in the interests of national solidarity—what Gantz’s party has called “consensus and unity”—but in what was widely interpreted as blatantly pandering to their voters. For Schleien, centrists are so “desperate for the ‘middle center,’ or ‘extreme center,’ that one can find political room, not to the left and right but only up and down.” When, in 2020, “Gav Ha’Uma” was taken off the air, it was “a knife in the back of secularism,” Ram Fruman, the founder of the Secular Forum, said in Haaretz. “Management claimed it was for financial reasons,” Schleien told me, “much like, but before, Stephen Colbert—our clock runs ahead of America’s.”

但施莱恩同样对自封的“中间派”政客感到恼火,比如亚伊尔·拉皮德和本尼·甘茨,他们虽然自己是世俗主义者,却据称是为了国家团结——甘茨的政党称之为“共识与团结”——而纵容宗教建制派,但这被广泛解读为公然迎合其选民。对施莱恩来说,中间派如此“渴望‘中间的中间’,或‘极端的中间’,以至于人们只能在上下而非左右找到政治空间。”2020年,《 Gav Ha’Uma 》停播时,世俗论坛的创始人拉姆·弗鲁曼在《国土报》上说,这是“对世俗主义背后捅刀子”。“管理层声称是出于财务原因,”施莱恩告诉我,“很像斯蒂芬·科尔伯特的情况,但发生在他之前——我们的时钟比美国走得快。”

So Schleien turned to standup comedy and to posting videos on YouTube that continued where his programs had left off. In 2022, when a new election was in the offing, he co-founded the online channel Relevant. Netanyahu was returned to power in the fall; in January, 2023, he began an assault on the judiciary, aiming to subordinate the Supreme Court to his Knesset majority. That move prompted months of mass demonstrations, and Schleien’s videos added to their impact. After the October 7th massacre, he tempered his tone. By the spring of 2024, however, Netanyahu’s assault on Gaza seemed to be endless, ruthless, governed by no diplomatic strategy—sacrificing civilians and hostages alike—and the Biden Administration was repeatedly cautioning the Israel Defense Forces about “humanitarian law.” Schleien returned to form.

于是,施莱恩转向单口喜剧,并在 YouTube 上发布视频,继续他节目未竟之事。2022年,新一轮选举即将到来时,他共同创立了在线频道 Relevant。内塔尼亚胡于当年秋天重新掌权;2023年1月,他开始对司法系统发起攻击,旨在让最高法院服从于他在议会的多数席位。此举引发了持续数月的大规模示威活动,施莱恩的视频加剧了其影响。10月7日大屠杀后,他缓和了语气。然而,到了2024年春天,内塔尼亚胡对加沙的攻击似乎无休无止、残酷无情,不受任何外交策略的支配——同时牺牲平民和人质——拜登政府也一再警告以色列国防军注意“人道主义法”。施莱恩恢复了往日风格。

He created a video for Relevant about President Isaac Herzog’s visit to the state-supported Bnei David academy, in the West Bank settlement of Eli, where, augmented by Torah studies, young Israelis train to join the I.D.F., many of them as officers. (Some forty per cent of graduates from infantry-officer schools have a national religious background.) In his talk, Herzog—another erstwhile “centrist”—condemned the “groundless hatred” and the “divisions” that had roiled the nation before October 7th, implying that it was the pro-judiciary demonstrators, not theocratic settlers, like those in the audience, who had somehow weakened the country. Schleien intercut video of a sermon by the head of Bnei David, Rabbi Eliezer Kashtiel, who had notoriously suggested that Arabs had “genetic problems,” and thus were better off under occupation. Kashtiel also criticized women’s equality, and he weighed in on Gaza: “Even if the residents of Gaza had come to us with flowers and love letters full of hearts,” he said, “it would have been our obligation,” even on the Sabbath, “to start the war to conquer the Land of Israel.”

他为 Relevant 制作了一段视频,关于总统艾萨克·赫尔佐格访问国家资助的 Bnei David 学院,该学院位于西岸的埃利定居点。在那里,年轻以色列人通过托拉学习加强自身,训练加入以色列国防军,其中许多人成为军官。(步兵军官学校约百分之四十的毕业生具有全国宗教背景。)赫尔佐格——另一位昔日的“中间派”——在讲话中谴责了在10月7日之前搅动国家的“无端仇恨”和“分裂”,暗示是支持司法系统的示威者,而非神权政治的定居者(如观众席中的那些人),以某种方式削弱了国家。施莱恩穿插了 Bnei David 学院院长拉比埃利泽·卡什蒂尔的一段布道视频,卡什蒂尔曾臭名昭著地暗示阿拉伯人有“基因问题”,因此最好处于被占领状态。卡什蒂尔还批评了妇女平等,并对加沙发表了看法:“即使加沙居民带着鲜花和充满爱心的情书来到我们面前,”他说,“发动战争以征服以色列土地也本会是我们的义务,”甚至在安息日也不例外。

In the video, Schleien added that the settlers and the whole religious apparat “force us to fund their way of life”—incomes, hence taxes, in Tel Aviv are generally far higher than those in Jerusalem and the settlements—“and force us to die in their religious wars.” (The ultra-Orthodox do not serve in the Army, and the Supreme Court’s ruling, in 2017, that they must is what initially precipitated the government assault on the judiciary.) “Unity is a lovely word, a good feeling,” Schleien said, “but we know from math class that, if one side of the equation is positive and the other is, in the same measure, negative, what they have between them is—nothing.”

在视频中,施莱恩补充说,定居者和整个宗教机构“强迫我们资助他们的生活方式”——特拉维夫的收入,因此税收,通常远高于耶路撒冷和各定居点——“并强迫我们死于他们的宗教战争。”(极端正统派不在军队服役,最高法院2017年裁定他们必须服役,这最初引发了政府对司法系统的攻击。)“团结是个可爱的词,一种美好的感觉,”施莱恩说,“但我们从数学课上学到,如果等式的一边是正数,另一边是同等程度的负数,那么它们之间就是——零。”

Relevant closed in late 2024, but last November Schleien launched an online movement, called Free Israel, a play on the slogan “Free Palestine,” and released videos, he told me, aimed at influencing public opinion so that Israel can “free itself first from Netanyahu’s rule.” Soon after, he met with a group of secular and orthodox students in a military-preparatory program in the West Bank settlement of Susya, and, after his session, a counsellor who mentored a group of “hilltop youth”—young settlers who defiantly camp on West Bank heights hoping to establish yet more settlements—challenged Schleien to take on his more rightist audience, inviting him to a question-and-answer session with his own group. Schleien accepted.

Relevant 于2024年底关闭,但去年11月,施莱恩发起了一场名为“自由以色列”的在线运动,这是对“自由巴勒斯坦”口号的化用,他告诉我,他发布视频旨在影响公众舆论,以便以色列能够“首先从内塔尼亚胡的统治下解放自己”。不久之后,他在西岸苏西亚定居点的一个军事预备项目中会见了一群世俗和正统派学生。会后,一位辅导一群“山顶青年”——那些在西岸高地扎营、希望建立更多定居点的年轻定居者——的顾问,向施莱恩发起挑战,要他面对更右翼的观众,邀请他与自己的小组进行一次问答环节。施莱恩接受了。

The dialogue was respectful and unusually penetrating. The counsellor argued that “faith and roots”—adhering to religious law, based on rabbinic interpretations of the Talmud, and pursuing the settlement of the promised land—yielded “a staying power” that secular Jews lacked. Schleien countered, “I’m connected to my Judaism, to Israel, Zionism, and Hebrew culture no less than you, and maybe somewhat more,” since he is always weighing the extent of his “Jewishness and Israeliness,” and doesn’t “live according to a book.” Besides, he said, “My four grandfathers and grandmothers fled here to avoid being murdered.” In fact, the original Zionist pioneers were mainly secularists who “kicked against religion even before coming here,” Schleien said, to build “a new Judaism.”

对话充满尊重,且异常深入。那位顾问辩称,“信仰与根基”——遵守基于拉比对塔木德解释的宗教律法,并追求在应许之地定居——产生了世俗犹太人缺乏的“持久力”。施莱恩反驳道:“我与犹太教、以色列、犹太复国主义和希伯来文化的联系不比你少,也许还更多一些,”因为他总是在权衡自己“犹太性和以色列性”的程度,并且不“按照一本书来生活”。此外,他说:“我的四位祖父母逃到这里是为了避免被杀害。”事实上,最初的犹太复国主义先驱主要是世俗主义者,他们“甚至在来到这里之前就反抗宗教”,施莱恩说,为的是建立一个“新犹太教”。

The video became a sensation, viewed, in segments, more than two and a half million times. Since then, Schleien has continued his campaign, which he and a few friends have financed, to meet with dozens of groups of Israeli youth—some seven hundred thousand of whom will be voting for the first time in the fall and who, in their majority, identify as “right wing.” He also engaged in lengthy discussions with Assaf Sharon, a professor of philosophy at Tel Aviv University who studied for several years in a settlement, and Avner Inbar, who are the founders of the liberal think tank Molad, and with Alissaa Symon, a scholar affiliated with it, to explore Israel’s democratic crisis. There are now more than ninety Free Israel videos, with more than sixty million views, in whole or in part, across social-media platforms, and Schleien has a waiting list of more than six hundred groups requesting a meeting. “I won’t get to all of them, but it’s nice to be asked,” he told me.

这段视频引起了轰动,分段观看次数超过250万次。自那以后,施莱恩继续他的运动(由他和几个朋友资助),与数十个以色列青年团体见面——其中约七十万人将在今年秋天首次投票,他们中的大多数自认是“右翼”。他还与特拉维夫大学哲学教授阿萨夫·沙龙(曾在定居点学习数年)以及自由派智库 Molad 的创始人阿夫纳·因巴尔,还有与该智库有关联的学者阿莉莎·西蒙,进行了长时间的讨论,探讨以色列的民主危机。现在有超过90个“自由以色列”视频,在各大社交媒体平台上的全部或部分观看次数超过6000万次,施莱恩的等候名单上还有600多个团体请求会面。“我不可能全都去,但被邀请总是好的,”他告诉我。

I attended two tapings, at which Schleien, readied like a shortstop, fielded predictable questions: How can he still want two states? How can Arabs be part of a “Jewish state”? Can secularism not be carried to an extreme? (“As if there is such a thing as ‘secular extremism’—what, defending, too fiercely, critical rationality and the freedom to choose?” he told me.) But Schleien has empathy for his young audiences. They are, he says, sheltering from missiles and dealing with a government that incites them to hatred. “They’re told that, if we just keep bombing the whole Middle East, then God—who is Jewish and on their side—will fix everything. It’s hard on them.”

我参加了两次录制,施莱恩像个游击手一样做好准备,应对那些预料之中的问题:他怎么能仍然想要两国方案?阿拉伯人怎么能成为“犹太国家”的一部分?世俗主义难道不会被推向极端吗?(“好像真有‘世俗极端主义’这回事——什么,过于激烈地捍卫批判理性和选择自由吗?”他告诉我。)但施莱恩对他年轻的观众抱有同情。他说,他们躲避导弹,还要应对一个煽动他们仇恨的政府。“他们被告知,只要我们继续轰炸整个中东,那么上帝——他是犹太人,站在他们那边——就会解决一切。这对他们来说很难。”

What appears to be hardest on Schleien, perhaps, is the effect that Israel’s recent crises are having on people in other countries, particularly the United States. When, immediately after the Hamas attack, he heard young Americans chanting, “From the river to the sea,” whether they properly understood the meaning of the slogan or not, he feared that many American progressives, who traditionally have felt empathy for Israeli progressives and supported the secular democracy that they have long espoused, have ironically bought into the image of Israel projected by its far right, and that to them the idea of “a Jewish and democratic state” has become a contradiction in terms.

然而,对施莱恩来说,或许最艰难的是以色列近期的危机对其他国家,特别是美国人民产生的影响。哈马斯袭击后,当他立即听到年轻的美国人高呼“从河到海”时,无论他们是否真正理解这个口号的含义,他都担心许多美国进步人士——他们传统上对以色列进步人士抱有同情,并支持他们长期拥护的世俗民主——已经讽刺性地接受了以色列极右翼所投射的形象,并且对他们而言,“一个犹太民主国家”的理念已成为一个自相矛盾的术语。

In fact, one of Schleien’s Free Israel videos was directed at American liberals, after a group of Hollywood actors and other film workers signed a letter pledging to boycott some institutions within the Israeli film industry. Schleien’s video was a plea for help, but also for recognition. “You don’t have to sabotage Israeli art and culture and academia and businesses,” he said. “Netanyahu’s government has already got that covered.” The point, as Schleien sees it, is to defeat this government, not the people and the institutions that are striving for a democratic country. ♦

事实上,施莱恩的一个“自由以色列”视频就是针对美国自由派的,起因是一群好莱坞演员和其他电影工作者签署了一封信,承诺抵制以色列电影业内的一些机构。施莱恩的视频既是求助,也是寻求认可。“你们不必去破坏以色列的艺术、文化、学术和商业,”他说。“内塔尼亚胡政府已经把这些都包办了。”在施莱恩看来,关键在于击败这个政府,而不是那些为一个民主国家而奋斗的人民和机构。 ♦

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